tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312853715123370916.post132039918883240672..comments2024-03-17T00:10:44.022+00:00Comments on From Arse To Elbow: AlgopopsDavid Timoneyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03568348438980023320noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312853715123370916.post-45054172910598695122017-02-15T19:33:48.355+00:002017-02-15T19:33:48.355+00:00Well he was certainly rejecting the ordained by go...Well he was certainly rejecting the ordained by god! I am not sure he denied mature so absolutely!Herbie Kills Childrennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312853715123370916.post-80235393800026173022017-02-15T19:15:38.863+00:002017-02-15T19:15:38.863+00:00Engels was talking about hierarchy, or more precis...Engels was talking about hierarchy, or more precisely authority, in instrumental terms. I was referring to the idea of hierarchy as an eternal order, ordained by God or nature.David Timoneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03568348438980023320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312853715123370916.post-13988341244082106602017-02-15T18:58:33.494+00:002017-02-15T18:58:33.494+00:00“Given that mix, there should be no surprise that ...“Given that mix, there should be no surprise that the idea of hierarchy has always been central to the Californian Ideology and its (non-ironic) interpretation of "freedom". If Marxism and anarchism treat class and order as historically contingent, and therefore mutable, the defining characteristic of the party of order - and one that reveals the fundamental affinity between conservatives and liberals - is the belief that hierarchy is natural. Inheritance”<br /><br />You have played somewhat of a five card trick by going from hierarchy to class back to hierarchy again. Why am I making this point? Well Marxism may treat class as mutable but it certainly does not treat hierarchy (or actually order for that natter) as such, which is both an anarchist critique of Marxism and a Marxist critique of anarchism! Think of Engels “On Authority” as an example, where Engels makes the point that while class may be done away with the operating needs of a factory may make hierarchy a necessity. The anarchists of course will complain Marxism is just replacing one class of overlords with another. I tend to lean more to the anarchist position on hierarchy, in that socialism should seek to create organisational structures that undermine hierarchy, for example rotation.<br />Herbie Kills Childrennoreply@blogger.com