tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312853715123370916.post8800956854429202515..comments2024-03-17T00:10:44.022+00:00Comments on From Arse To Elbow: Norn IronyDavid Timoneyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03568348438980023320noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312853715123370916.post-58633192761465937802017-11-27T10:23:47.629+00:002017-11-27T10:23:47.629+00:00I don't think Redwood's sophistry is repre...I don't think Redwood's sophistry is representative of most ultras. The popular view among Brexiteers is that we will end up with more cash, hence the bus, so the very idea of a payment is anathema.David Timoneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03568348438980023320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312853715123370916.post-68080066973561749432017-11-27T09:59:00.835+00:002017-11-27T09:59:00.835+00:00Para 1 mis-states the position of ultras on the mo...Para 1 mis-states the position of ultras on the money. To quote John Redwood from twitter:<br /><br />"There is general agreement that there is no legal requirement for the UK to pay the EU anything on exit. There is no provision in the Treaty for an exit bill. No one in the referendum campaign said we would face a bill & the EU has never produced a legal base for a divorce bill."<br /><br />"Some seem to think we should nonetheless pay something to get a deal. It is most important that this is always called an ex gratia payment or gift, as the UK must not by its language and promises create some legal obligation under EU law that does not exist at the moment."<br /><br />The ultra position is that any payment should be part of the final deal, not that there shouldn't be any payment.Dippernoreply@blogger.com